Transmission switch PRND32
87 S4 auto.
Is this transmission switch on the side of the tranny "serviceable"?
It basically controls the PRND32 and reverse lights....all of which have never worked on my car in ..oh..7yrs...since i bought it.
Is there a way to trouble shoot it via the pins? I haven’t seen anything in the manuals.
How much is this bad boy to replace $$$ for those that know.
There is a 6 pin connector in the spare tire well. Check red/black wire for power. This wire supplies power for shift indicator and back up lamp function of switch.
i have done this already and unfortunately i had to take the scenic route. my 85 euro has a little crème colored micro switch that is mounted on the ignition cylinder shaft this is were the power comes from the switch to the lights on the dash . it is a 911 part . good news is you do not have to drop the cluster . but the switch is what sends power to the switch and in turn the lights. i did all you have done including a very nice new trans mounted switch sitting in a box now. look at the micro switch by the ignition switch. This is what sends the power to the transmission switch. it is a small plastic part that does wear out hooked so when the key is turned to the on position a lever pushes out and hits the micro switch. this is what sends the volts out to the trans switch .i will try to find receipt with part number.
fuse #24 controls the rear hatch trigger and interior lights which include PRND32.
well, that's the one I have. Just installed it and they still don't work fuse 24 checks good also
Looks like I'm to the pod and Keiths idea of lighting the bulbs directly from the connector leading in?
Where does the harness that has these wires (below) drop out of the pod?
What is the RED
the key says a "welding point"???
I ask as the wire that leads there from the tach display i believe is a ground and it grounds the entire display. I have found the harness that leads into the pod. It was actually easy to get to...right next to the pod height adjustment. I reached in and pulled the wiring connector down...
The first step in
checking this circuit is always to clean and check the connector in the spare
Find the six-terminal connector in the forward corner of the spare tire well. Locate the red/black wire in Terminal 5, and check for 12 vdc.
The welded point is just a place where a bunch of brown wires come together - sometimes hidden inside the harness, sometimes visible. They all run to one grounding point - locate MP - IV and check it.
Well, rigged up a 9v battery to the lights. I ran the ground from the "MP IV" ground point (above the brake pedal area) and connected each individual wire in the connecter. I got all the lights except "D" so i assume that one is burned out. So my bulbs work and the ground must good to them as they illuminated using their normal ground "source".
So far continuity is good from the connectors in the trunk to the connection in the pod.
I get 12v up to the connector in the pod...so there must be something that controls the power from that point until it hits the bulbs.....back to the schematics more to come I'm sure. I may have found a lead (pun intended) Thank you. Too late now to go out and look though.
Seems the ignition switch area does have a link to the PRND32 lights. Power comes off PIN 1 on the switch (grid B16) via a black/red wire which travels to grid J26(on to another diagram) where the wiring continues to connector shown in grid B24....then into the tach.
(if you haven't referenced the diagrams...B16..etc etc are coordinates on the diagram used to locate items )
Simple terms...I'm looking for a black/red wire from PIN1 on the ignition that eventually travels all the way to a connector in the trunk where it changes to a red/green wire and returns to the pod connector where it then travels to the tach.
it is mounted
within the tumblers reach left of the actual ignition switch. It is mounted to
the steel or aluminum brace behind the dash pod that
holds the ignition cylinder. i remember it is a 911 part.
i just jumper wired around the switch and the dash light park light came on.
this was a mess as i followed all the suggestions others had and that was a lot of work . and upsetting seeing how cheap and easy it was to fix.
hmm...found it, a small 1"x 1/4" in white switch held in by a single screw. I removed it and checked it and it appears to work fine. It is the first switch that moves when you turn the key a small fraction. It turns on my "chime". I pulled the switch and jumpered the connection and i get the chime....no lights though.
pics to follow of it
oh..and if you jumper the tranny switch in the back, pins 1 and 2 of the 3 terminal connector, your cooling fans go on high! Im learning all kinds of stuff!
No power there with the key ON or OFF....as seen below. The voltmeter is grounded at the factory point in the wheel well. The reading is shown is Mv.
but..i do get power on the Brown/yellow wire next to it with the key ON. next picture...same ground.
This pic shows the ignition ON and a good power supply right up to the connector that takes the wiring up into the pod.
Bottom line in this i think is i get power all the way to the POD. The lights illuminate when hooked directly to 9v on the harnes shown below ("to dash"..on the right) some where between this connection and the bulbs there is an interruption to the 12v supply to the lights. anyway...digest it, while I get a match!
I spent some time tracing...literally with colored markers the diagrams tonight and came up with a little test that is easy to do.
My issue now is...i have 12 volts going INTO the tach/PRND32 area (pin 7) but I don't have 12 volts coming out. (pin 8)
Look at the schematic...it may be easier. I lose power somewhere in the pod where the power comes back out. It is the routing/flow of the power that was tripping me up. Power actually goes IN (7)...and OUT(8) on the same harness/connector in the pod. My problem is...it doesn't come out
The pod has to come out anyway to replace my burned out "D" light so may be i will fined something then?
I'll post this
picture again now that I know that the voltage flows both ways across this
Voltage is suppose to flow in the direction of the arrows I've shown. However in my case I don't get the volts across the "orange" arrow..."out from the dash"
Good news: After hours and hours of research and
pouring over wiring diagrams, I was able to fix my PRND32 lights! And what I
found may be a common problem for many of us that have lived without lights for
Firstly, let me thank Tony for his great writeup (^^^) and where he left off is where I started.
Tony noted that power comes into the PRND32 light connector on pin 7. This power comes from U25 on the CE panel which is supplied by the ignition switch in position one. Since the PRND32 lights are also powered by the parking light switch, power from there comes into the instrument pod into the back of the Tach, hence the need for a relay on the Tach circuit board to control power to pin 8, which sends 12v back to the switch on the transmission. This power lead (pin 8) puts 12v on both the backup switch and the PRND32 switch so when the contacts are closed by moving the gear selector, that power comes back through the wiring, through the connector in the spare wheel well back to the lights in the Tach.
To make a long story shorter, i found a broken trace on the Tach circuit board. That trace comes from the relay back out to pin 8. That break was why pin 8 never had any power.
So I jumpered that broken trace as shown below:
I left the picture
in high res so you can see where I placed the jumper. You can easily tell if
you need this jumper by testing for continuity across these two posts. If you
don't have continuity, your trace is broken.
Looking at this trace on the other side of the circuit board, it looks really thin where mine broke and could be symptomatic of all 928's and quite possibly it acts like a fuse and opens the circuit.
Hopefully this will help others with this problem.
Nicely done "Dr Watson'!!
Thank you for taking the investigation
deeper into the pod and more so sharing it here. I wasn’t about to tear that
out and create a mountain out of a mole hill. This will be the first thing i
check now when i decide to pursue it again. My guess is you’ve solved an issue
common with MANY owners!
I will follow up here as well when i look at it.
Tony1987 S4 Auto
That two prong switch under the pod is closed in ignition position 1 and provides power to U25 on the CE panel which in turn powers the PRND32 and Backup Light circuit controlled by the circuitry on the back of the Tach.
Oh, and that switch does power the chime circuit also.
The easiest way to test the bulbs is to put 12v directly across each bulb. The circuit on the back on the tach is very complicated, using transistors and relays, and I'm not sure you can easily emulate the external circuitry of the car's wiring with the tach out of the cluster. Power to each of the bulbs comes directly into the circuit board to the hot side of the bulbs through the connector. Tony (above ^^^) has labeled which connector pins go to which light. So all you need to do is ground the common side of the bulbs on the circuit board by finding the correct trace and you should be able to light each light individually. Hope that helps.