The 928 has two versions for thermostat:
9188.8.131.52 (or 928.106.129.06) up to and including 1989 model
9184.108.40.206 starting 1990 model to to 1995
-The o-ring included with most thermostat 'kits' are too small
-Early, 78-82, w/o the rear seal may need the large rear plate, 1.9"|50mm?
-Don't use a thermostat with a rear plate smaller than 1.7"|43mm (BMW, Audi, VW = 1.38"|35mm)
-There must always be small hole/valve/jiggler to allow air to vent, some types may not have this
-Thermostats start to open somewhere around their stated temp, and are fully open roughly 7C|20F above
-All the searches below use Porsche 1986 928S and Mercedes 1990 300TE
-Don't put too much faith in the pictures you see online
75C|167F - 928 106 129 06 (superseded by the 16)
75C|167F - 928 106 129 16 (superseded
by the 17)
83C|181F - 928 106 129 17
o-ring - 999 701 632 40
rear seal - 928 106 163 00 (83-up)
Behr/Wahler (WorldPAC, IMC)
75C|167F - 116 200 00 15
83C|181F - 928 106 129 17
87C|189F - 110 200 05 15
Beck Arnley (Autozone, others)
79C|174F - 143-0578
82C|180F - 143-0681
90C|195F - 143-0636
If the thermostat disc does not seal properly, the coolant will circulate in
the engine which induces over heating.
MB TX 18 79 D is very similar, and fits the older generation. It has a 43mm disc.
Normal opening temperature is 83C, but others exist that start opening later (88C) or earlier (75C). Check on the thermostat, it is stamped.
83degrees C model
All this talk of cooling and thermostats prompted me to change my thermostat
today. I installed a Devek radiator 2 years ago. I ordered a 75
thermostat at the same time but never bothered to install it. I began the
installation today but have run into a problem I have never heard discussed
on the list. My car is an 89 S4. The new thermostat came with an
and another fairly hard rubber ring that looks as if it seats against the
thermostat gate. When I pulled my old thermostat, it was unclear whether
there was a rubber ring like this installed. There was however some
on the upper outlet which the thermostat gate seats against that could have
been the remnants of a seal of some kind. I cleaned the outlet as best as
could. When I tried to seat the into the outlet, it wouldn't fit. It
appears that it should slide into the outlet with the lip of the ring
overlapping the end and providing a seating surface for the thermostat.
anyone had a similar problem? Could I have the wrong ring? Is it
supposed to have a ring? The exploded diagram in the Workshop manuals does
not show this ring at all. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks.
I replaced my thermostat last week. The hard rubber ring goes into the thermostat housing, but you need to pull the old one out first.
The hard rubber ring has some kind of metal inside the rubber that makes it hard to get out. I had to use a pair of robo-grip pliers to get it out ( http://sis125.berkeley.edu/928/images/cool-thermo-seat-out.jpg ).
I grabbed the bottom and pried up an edge, the was able to pull it out the rest of the way
( http://sis125.berkeley.edu/928/images/cool-thermo-bent-seat.jpg ).
I'll put a web page next week with more pictures.
Thanks for the help. Your pictures are worth a 1000 words. I used a Dremel wire brush to clean what I thought was a rubber gasket that had bonded to the outlet. I exposed metal. I couldn't believe it was the outlet but having no information otherwise, was afraid to try to remove it. Your experience clearly helps me know what to do tomorrow when I continue my task. Again, a hearty thanks.
Thanks for the help. I was apprehensive while using my Dremel tool on the thermostat housing earlier today, but finding out you did the same gives me comfort. I would like to refer you to George Suennen's reply on the list also. He removed a rubber clad steel ring that serves as a seating surface for the thermostat and installed a new one. While looking at your pictures, it appears that you have an old deteriorated ring still in the outlet. Using the wire brush just exposed the metal in the ring and you supposed, as I did also, that you had reached the housing. I think it is possible you only exposed the metal interior of the rubber ring. I'll let you know my experience after I work on it tomorrow. Again, thanks.
OK, I've been running a cooler thermostat in my 83 Euro, but noticed it
seemed a smidge happier when the temp reached the middle of the range (its
typically at the lower quarter mark).
So I ordered what I thought was the right assemblage of parts....and now I'm confused.
Ordered a 'normal' thermostat, a "thermostat O-ring", a "Thermostat Inner Seal" particular to Euro cars.
Thermostat- Stamped 75degrees instead of 85. Hm. Also stamped 086, which I think is the last three digits of the Euro 5 spd WUR-- Coincidence? Should I be running the 85?
O rings- The thermostat came with one in the box, and I ordered one. The one I ordered is larger in thickness and diameter. Are there two rubber o-rings that sandwich the thermostat, or did I inadvertently get the O-ring that goes at the base of the whole water manifold (928.701.631.40)?
I'm puzzled about the 'seal'. It seems as though it fits in the invert of the 90 degree bend on the thermostat cover...but it doesn't fit very well over the end of the Behr thermostat that would go there. My second (and perhaps more astute) guess is that it fits inside the orifice in the block and provides a better seal for the thermostat's plunger?
Any & all wisdom appreciated.
Only one o-ring. It goes on the face side of the tstat facing out. So in other
words it doesn't go behind the flange of the thermostat against the housing. It
goes against the nose of the hose adapter that you bolt on.
Also, the little notch in the thermostat outer edge goes at TDC. It's a vent for bubbles so they don't get caught behind a closed tstat.
Also II, There is a smaller seal that goes in the hole behind the thermostat in the housing if your casting has the ridge for it. That came in later models than mine and maybe your Euro was still using old parts?
Triscan THERMOSTAT 86202688
•Openings temperature [°C]: 88
•Fits all Porsche 928 models
•BMW 11 53 1 264 668
•BMW 11 53 1 265 085
•BMW 11 53 1 307 737
•BMW 11 53 1 466 173
•DAEWOO 110 200 05 15
•MERCEDES-BENZ 002 203 76 75
•MERCEDES-BENZ 002 203 76 76
•MERCEDES-BENZ 002 203 81 75
•MERCEDES-BENZ 100 200 05 15
•MERCEDES-BENZ 102 200 02 15
•MERCEDES-BENZ 102 200 04 17
•MERCEDES-BENZ 102 200 08 15
•MERCEDES-BENZ 102 200 14 15
•MERCEDES-BENZ 102 200 15 15
•MERCEDES-BENZ 102 200 18 15
•MERCEDES-BENZ 102 203 03 73
•MERCEDES-BENZ 110 200 05 15
•PORSCHE 928 106 129 06
•PORSCHE 928 106 129 16
•PORSCHE 928 106 129 17
•RENAULT TRUCKS 7700 260 959
•RENAULT TRUCKS 7700 657 955
•RENAULT TRUCKS 7700 703 136
•RENAULT TRUCKS 7700 710 657
•RENAULT TRUCKS 7701 349 173
•RENAULT TRUCKS 7701 349 415
•RENAULT TRUCKS 7704 245 278
•SSANGYONG 002 203 76 75
•SSANGYONG 110 200 05 15
the little brass thing at the bottom should be on the top. It is a bleeder that lets the air out after filling up with new coolant. The air will escape anyway since the thermostat is quite high in the cooling system, but this was designed to do it quicker.
Posted by Greg.